Mk so, I was thinking earlier that it must be difficult for newbies to gain wealth. I then started to think of reasons why it's so difficult and I ended up with a few, so hopefully you guys will understand what I'm trying to get across and you can possibly let me know what you think of my suggestion. Thanks in advance.

The first reason I came across was because newbies do not have much when they first log into the game, they have a starter and barely anything at all.
The second reason I thought of was because of the lack of motivation. I'm 100% sure that none of you would want to train a level 5 pokemon to 20,000, if I am wrong... please post in the thread and let me know when you decide to solo train a level 5 to 20k.

For the first reason, I managed to think of one solution.
Instead of giving them a choice of starters, perhaps we could give them a choice of 3 boxes? And each box would contain a random level 5 pokemon, plus 1,000,000 in cash, plus 50-500 coins. This would atleast give them something to work from.

For the second reason, I figured out that people with high levels(20ks and such) can easily train a level 1k in one battle whilst newbies would need to either give up their little wealth they have for someone else to train it, or either do approximately 750 battles to reach 1k. This is exactly how the rich get richer and the poor stay poor, or just quit.

I know for a fact, that many newbs will quit due to the fact that there aren't enough ways in which they could gain wealth, I'm sure most of you would agree with me. The TL(trainer level) and trading cap concept is what is stopping newbies from training much. I'm 100% sure that if a newbie would borrow a level 10k, they would do the best they can to train their pokemon to a decent level. (I certainly would if I first started)

The reason why newbs are not going to stick around this game very long is because they need to feel like they're actually getting somewhere, but if they're not making any wealth, they will not get that feeling. This leads them to rely on contest and freebies(free things).

l33t is an account with pokemon that are prizes for contests and if all of the pokemon are contested, where are they going to get new pokemon from? Banned accounts? Getting pokemon from banned accounts ruins the fun and also gives newbs the chance of simply sitting back, winning a contest and also winning something they didn't earn whilst playing the game. That's not fair at all. Again, that leads to newbies relying on contests.

My ideas in a few sentences:
#1 - The trading cap concept sucks and doesn't give newbies the chance to gain wealth on their own. They do not need freebies, they simply need to be able to do things on their own. Giving them freebies is like spoon-feeding a child.
#2 - Pokemon from banned account should NOT be transfered to l33t just so they are contested away to people who do NOT deserve it.

Do not post if you're short minded.
Make comments and I suppose you could contribute towards improving my idea?
Thanks.


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September 15, 2012 10:11:56amCrixus91 Wrote:  Your Idea is quiet good, I like it in general, but I will comment your several Suggestions / Ideas.

The second reason I thought of was because of the lack of motivation. I'm 100% sure that none of you would want to train a level 5 pokemon to 20,000, if I am wrong... please post in the thread and let me know when you decide to solo train a level 5 to 20k.

--> Well, I trained from 5k to 17.7k by now, reaching lvl 20k soon. But I really spent a lot time training. The exception proves the rule. :D

[quote]For the first reason, I managed to think of one solution.
Instead of giving them a choice of starters, perhaps we could give them a choice of 3 boxes? And each box would contain a random level 5 pokemon, plus 1,000,000 in cash, plus 50-500 coins. This would atleast give them something to work from.

--> Hmm, I like that Idea, but there is the problem that people will make countless accounts to get as much as possible. I know, 30 coins are almost nothing, but there's a reason for this low amount of coins =/ Even if you make an IP limit, people would evade the IP limit.

For the second reason, I figured out that people with high levels(20ks and such) can easily train a level 1k in one battle whilst newbies would need to either give up their little wealth they have for someone else to train it, or either do approximately 750 battles to reach 1k. This is exactly how the rich get richer and the poor stay poor, or just quit.

--> That's right, and that's why I give out pokemon at the level from 1000 to 1500 to new players. I know, it won't help them THAT much, but I feel like helping new players the way I am able to.

Maybe you could expand this idea. It would be great, if all the good Trainers, with very high levels, would contest or giveaway lvl 3ks or higher in regularly intervals. Trainers like : zapdos, GrimReaper, fireheart666, Me and a few others. Those who train every day.

It's true that many newbies quit soon after they join Pokemon Creed, because they don't get far. And it's also true that removing the Trading Cap would help a lot players to train their pokemon, if they borrowed a lvl 10k for example. Players like zapdos, fireheart666 and Grim can train a pokemon to level 10k in a few days, so that's no problem. If you removed the Trading Cap, you could loan a lvl 10k, which would be veeeery helpful. Maybe, you should ONLY remove the Loaning Cap, but keep the Trading Cap, so that there won't be any Scamming.

But then, if you loan lvl 10ks to newbies for free, it would ruin the business of the Trainers. We Trainers gain wealth by Training jobs, and if it was so easy to train for new players, we wouldn't get many Training jobs anymore. Then again, training rates have already dropped so much, which is why some of the best Trainers don't do them anymore, only if it's worth it.

About the contests, I think contests should continue, as it's a nice way of sharing your wealth.
The pokemon from l33t should be contested ( they weren't contested yet ), because it would bring back the banned pokemon. It would give more wealth to people, also the newbies.

My Ideas / answer in a short summary :
#1 Trading Caps should be removed, but only for Loaning. That way people could loan lvl 10k or such for free, or for prizes.
#2 The pokemon in l33t's account should be brought back in game, it would spread wealth and maybe solve the poverty among new players.
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yes i agree.

Thank you. c:

''Instead of giving them a choice of starters, perhaps we could give them a choice of 3 boxes? And each box would contain a random level 5 pokemon, plus 1,000,000 in cash, plus 50-500 coins. This would atleast give them something to work from.''

This will spoil economy of coins since every 5 minutes somebody signs up :L

After like 1 hour then there like 12x 400 more coins :L or more :L

even i agree i think its a really a good idea

And i think trading cap should be highered... Not removed :)

To like 2999+50% of TL.....

September 15, 2012 9:44:55amxpietju Wrote:  ''Instead of giving them a choice of starters, perhaps we could give them a choice of 3 boxes? And each box would contain a random level 5 pokemon, plus 1,000,000 in cash, plus 50-500 coins. This would atleast give them something to work from.''

This will spoil economy of coins since every 5 minutes somebody signs up :L

After like 1 hour then there like 12x 400 more coins :L or more :L

Sid hoarding over 600k coins is what's going to spoil the economy. How about 50-100 coins per person?

Thanks blackheartwarrior. c:

Edit - I never said it should be removed, it should be re-thought of.

Mmm.. 50 is okay...

And sidd is frozen :O

Me don't know if its permanently but...

This message is hidden because this person has been banned.

Well, we'll see. And if it is a permanent freeze.. then that's 600k+ gone. Again, this is why contents from other accounts should not be transfered to l33t, Sid worked for the coins and if the coins are contested, someone's just going to win a contest and win the coins?

Thank you bballer3. c:

Your Idea is quiet good, I like it in general, but I will comment your several Suggestions / Ideas.

The second reason I thought of was because of the lack of motivation. I'm 100% sure that none of you would want to train a level 5 pokemon to 20,000, if I am wrong... please post in the thread and let me know when you decide to solo train a level 5 to 20k.

--> Well, I trained from 5k to 17.7k by now, reaching lvl 20k soon. But I really spent a lot time training. The exception proves the rule. :D

For the first reason, I managed to think of one solution.
Instead of giving them a choice of starters, perhaps we could give them a choice of 3 boxes? And each box would contain a random level 5 pokemon, plus 1,000,000 in cash, plus 50-500 coins. This would atleast give them something to work from.

--> Hmm, I like that Idea, but there is the problem that people will make countless accounts to get as much as possible. I know, 30 coins are almost nothing, but there's a reason for this low amount of coins =/ Even if you make an IP limit, people would evade the IP limit.

For the second reason, I figured out that people with high levels(20ks and such) can easily train a level 1k in one battle whilst newbies would need to either give up their little wealth they have for someone else to train it, or either do approximately 750 battles to reach 1k. This is exactly how the rich get richer and the poor stay poor, or just quit.

--> That's right, and that's why I give out pokemon at the level from 1000 to 1500 to new players. I know, it won't help them THAT much, but I feel like helping new players the way I am able to.

Maybe you could expand this idea. It would be great, if all the good Trainers, with very high levels, would contest or giveaway lvl 3ks or higher in regularly intervals. Trainers like : zapdos, GrimReaper, fireheart666, Me and a few others. Those who train every day.

It's true that many newbies quit soon after they join Pokemon Creed, because they don't get far. And it's also true that removing the Trading Cap would help a lot players to train their pokemon, if they borrowed a lvl 10k for example. Players like zapdos, fireheart666 and Grim can train a pokemon to level 10k in a few days, so that's no problem. If you removed the Trading Cap, you could loan a lvl 10k, which would be veeeery helpful. Maybe, you should ONLY remove the Loaning Cap, but keep the Trading Cap, so that there won't be any Scamming.

But then, if you loan lvl 10ks to newbies for free, it would ruin the business of the Trainers. We Trainers gain wealth by Training jobs, and if it was so easy to train for new players, we wouldn't get many Training jobs anymore. Then again, training rates have already dropped so much, which is why some of the best Trainers don't do them anymore, only if it's worth it.

About the contests, I think contests should continue, as it's a nice way of sharing your wealth.
The pokemon from l33t should be contested ( they weren't contested yet ), because it would bring back the banned pokemon. It would give more wealth to people, also the newbies.

My Ideas / answer in a short summary :
#1 Trading Caps should be removed, but only for Loaning. That way people could loan lvl 10k or such for free, or for prizes.
#2 The pokemon in l33t's account should be brought back in game, it would spread wealth and maybe solve the poverty among new players.

"That's right, and that's why I give out pokemon at the level from 1000 to 1500 to new players."
That's exactly what I meant when I was saying newbies rely too much on freebies.
I do agree with that you're saying and yes, removing the trading cap for loaning only would be a good idea.
However, l33t's pokemon should be brought back into the game but pokemon in banned accounts shouldn't be brought into l33t.
Thank you for your thoughts and comments. c:

Of course, newbies rely on freebies. The admins / owner have the resonsibilty of making this game attracting to new players as well, if they want to get more active players. So, one way is contesting away some stuff.
Also, there are really a lot pokemon, that are banned. Once all the pokemon, that weren't banned , are contested, there won't be any left. Now, I dont know how many that are, and how long it would take to contest them all. But I don't think contesting the once banned pokemon is a bad idea.
Of course new players should not sit back and rely ONLY on contests, but it should be a start for them.

This is one of the best ideas/arguments I've ever heard. And someone might actually pay attention to it because you give valid reasons, instead of things like "removing the trade cap would make this website better because I could train more". <--- yeah, no. Saying something like that will just make you ignored.

Good job Vicky :)

Matt, what if they get given freebies or win contests? Then what? They cannot keep making profitable trades forever. My point is that they need to be able to make themselves rich rather than just feasting on other peoples' wealth.

Thank you charmtrainee. c: